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walter_solito

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Re: Flaw in flight models when dogfighting
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2012, 02:53:46 AM »

Not always a new version of a plane is a pure better performance plane than older because it can be updated to have better performance at a different height performance as P51 was changing engine from Allison to Merlin , to be a more effective weapon platform as 109G towards the F and so on!

Before all try to search for that version you are comare and look if something is wrote about their difference...then try to think what those change can alter the performance between them...
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Re: Flaw in flight models when dogfighting
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2012, 01:20:32 PM »

the new FM is biased, almost nothing but Russian stuff can catch up with anything else

the jets feel very underpowered too, the only good plane with both speed and maneuver anymore is the Me-163
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Re: Flaw in flight models when dogfighting
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2012, 09:15:10 PM »

So what, exactly, are you basing these opinions on?
And which version of IL2 are you talking about exactly?

FM's are all biased? Come on man, thats sooooooooo 2005.
If its really that bad please, post up a new thread with some numbers. Im sure wed all be interested in something more concrete than your opinion.

I know its not "Ace Combat" *sneer* but its closer than any other sim out there in its current DBW state.
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Re: Flaw in flight models when dogfighting
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2012, 11:00:28 PM »

I may have been too quick to say biased, or maybe it was just a too strong word. I'll re-check the P-51 speed on IL-2 compared to real life data later.
as for the Ace Combat thing: it's not that the controls feel more realistic it feels more arcade now. Also, it feels weird... the planes can turn on a dime in one dogfight and at the next it all of a sudden feels like a cow.
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Re: Flaw in flight models when dogfighting
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2012, 01:45:27 PM »

uh... a dime,
the american ten cents piece? (17.91 mm)
or the canadian one? (18,03 mm)

because that is a huge difference.
But maybe it is just your joystick not being calibrated?

Numbers... numbers are what one can work with in FM discussions...
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Re: Flaw in flight models when dogfighting
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2012, 06:58:20 PM »

AI does the impossible everytime I fly, it's one thing to have superhuman reflexes, but the planes themselves do the impossible. Bf-109s turning like a Zero and maintaining that high speed while turning, and right when they get behind you they all of a sudden gain a nice amount of acceleration, catching up to F-86s and MiGs with no problems.

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Re: Flaw in flight models when dogfighting
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2012, 08:19:14 PM »

Your either exaggerating or doing it wrong.
And I mean really wrong.
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Re: Flaw in flight models when dogfighting
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2012, 06:38:42 PM »

Actually, Solo isn't exaggerating I have the same problem and I've been flying the sim since it came out in '01. In a P-51D at altitude at cruising power I'm at 280mph but when I increase to combat power because I see a flight of 109s I all of a sudden my speed drops down to 190 to 210 mph, and I get shot down.
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Re: Flaw in flight models when dogfighting
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2012, 08:07:22 PM »

Then I stand by my previous statement-your doing something wrong.
Have a detailed account? Ive been flying this sim for 10 years now and never noticed anything like this.
Are you managing your PP correctly in the 51? Remember too that it bleeds energy like a stuck hog.
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Re: Flaw in flight models when dogfighting
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2012, 02:33:35 PM »

yeah because I increased my Prop Pitch from 85% to 100% to get the highest performance and then thats when I experienced the speed drop. (With the Increase of the throttle of course)
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Re: Flaw in flight models when dogfighting
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2012, 03:29:35 PM »

That may have something to do with it.
100% pitch does not give best speed. It's good for acceleration, but full prop pitch won't make you go faster. In fact in a dive its a wonderful air brake.
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